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||For once, I agree with Jim (shudder).
The traces should be available to all pilots that contribute to the ladder.
Can't see any reasonable reason not to post correctly done flights.
Just post your valid flights Matt!
## On 04-Apr-12 11:55:00 Jim White wrote:
Matt, just post the traces for the flights where you do not infringe airspace or cause an airprox. Don't see how that will get you into a bind.
Of course the traces we would really like to see are those where you have acheived a blistering speed so we can see how you did it.
John, seems to me that this is a valuable gliding community site (well done) and the traces should be available to all pilots that contribute to it.
Jim (looking forward to the 15s)
## On 04-Apr-12 08:11:00 John Bridge wrote:
I guess there are three views on this:
1) Since pilots are forced to tick the "I have checked for airspace infringements" checkbox before being allowed to post a logger file, they therefore become personally responsible for any ensuing fallout. If they get nobbled by the airspace mandarins, then tough - they shouldn't have penetrated airspace and they certainly shouldn't have posted the logger file to prove it.
2) Pilots are more concerned about maximising their scores either they are unaware that they had infringed airspace, or they gamble that no-one will check.
3) The ladder site is viewable to all, including those that may not be entirely on the side of gliding.
It is easy enough to apply password protection to the igc- and kml-links, which would largely deal with 3). This is the approach taken by the OLC, and I am happy to apply it to the ladder, if there is sufficient demand.
I am not so happy with restricting access to "specific people". I believe that, in the interests of fairness, all logger details should be available for scrutiny by all pilots who participate in the ladder. Airspace and other issues should be dealt with by the club ladder stewards - that is their job.
Finally, there have been several inadvertent airspace infringements posted on the ladder in the past, occasionally by highly competent high-profile pilots who had made a simple mistake. When made aware, they remove their logger file (and may also have a chat with the CAA in the form of an apology) and the world moves on. I have been guilty myself in the past, but I try not to advertise the fact by posting the evidence.
Does anyone have any comments, for or against, please?
## On 03-Apr-12 12:39:00 Matthew Cook wrote:
How much work would be involved in being able to password traces so that only specific people can view? Reason for this thinking is i dont like posting traces publicly on the net, but would like to store / score them on the site.
Added bonus is i would at least get the full score?
(I know I am in the minority here, but i have had to deal with fall out of peoples flights posted on the net in the past with airprox's e.t.c ).